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10/11/2006

Xogen - Tap Water as Fuel?

Xogen claims to have developed a process to split water and deliver hydrogen on demand to a burner tip, combustion chamber, or fuel cell, without external pressurisation or storage while consuming modest amounts of electrical current." Video after the jump.
They have joined up with Tathacus Resources Ltd. to develop a home heating apparatus. Their claims have, however, met with scepticism from some quarters

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I heard about this about a year ago, I guess its just now taking off... ~_~
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now this is the 1st thing that i have seen in some time that i say "well this might have a change" looks realy smart. leave your Exogen overnight whit a compresor runing store it in a Your tank of your Hydrogen Driven car and You have your own fueling station ;)
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ROFLMAO... (Translation: Rolling On Floor Laughing My Ass Off...) 1) I'm admittedly no expert, but what exactly is new about the fact that H20 a.k.a. water splits into H and O when any DC current at all is passed through it...? 2) "...modest amounts..." ? Sure as hell more energy than you get out of it when you burn the H again... 3) Have you checked out, uhm, the above mentioned address before posting this blindly...? "Buy Propecia & Xanax... xogen.com is for sale..."
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Also see: http://hytechapps.com/
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Anyone else find it somewhat suspicious that the linked domain is actually up for sale and not a corporate site at all?
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Here's the correct link.... the poster just got it wrong.. it's a Canadian company. I still don't think ti's real, though! ; here
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(let's try again..; angle brackets don't cut it with this parser) Here's the correct link: http://www.xogentechnologies.ca/
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http://www.xogentechnologies.ca/ is their real web address.
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This is old! Check out this pdf article talking about it: http://www.cseg.ca/recorder/pdf/2000/2000_Dec/05_Dec2000.pdf#search=%22xogen.com%22
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The native Canadian introducing the spiel has credibility at least from the standpoint that he is an established actor. The gas produced is usually called Brown's gas and is downright dangerous. Storing it is out of the question. If the electrolysing waveform is not intellectual property ie. documented in technical literature it's probably snake oil.
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Here is their website: http://www.xogentechnologies.ca/ One Page Website? For this cutting edge tech? Seems too good to be true. Only time will tell.
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Hey, Now if only the Department of Energy could give a big contract XOgen or an renewable energy firm just like the DOD gives big contracts to Boeing, Lockheed, etc.
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Great, now make it the size of a spark plug, and you'll make 100000000000000000000000 dollars.
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Yeah, you know why the domain is wrong? Because they linked to the wron site. Here is the official site; http://www.xogentechnologies.ca/
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Well, it's not really extracting energy from the water. It uses the current from the batteries to make the hydrogen-oxygen fuel (and I'm sure it's using more energy than it's creating due to the laws of conservation). So it is probably real, but isn't really that much different than electrolysis other than the caveat they mention that it doesn't require other chemicals. But the point is that the electricity has to come from somewhere and if it's not coming from zero emissions power plants it may not be better than gas. I think electric cars are a more practical alternative because I think you'd get more out of the electricity by converting it directly into work rather than into a different type of fuel and then to work. But they don't give us any numbers about efficiency so we don't really know those things. But I think it's just hype.
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I'm into great developments as much as anyone, hence my employment at Time Domain...(BTW IT Director, not an engineer). But,(at 4 minutes, 19 seconds of the video), they show the off product of water, it looks like a block of ice they are heating. I would expect droplets of water from that. Show me a heating of other material, i.e. steel, iron, carbon fiber with the same result. Or, define the composite this is shown against so a real evaluating of off-product can be made.
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David Cambell... look closer, that is the steel plate that was used to seal the device. See the threaded hole. It is indeed not a block of ice. Please look closer next time.
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"But the point is that the electricity has to come from somewhere and if it’s not coming from zero emissions power plants it may not be better than gas." What about the car's alternator? ;)
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At the very best, the most they've done is figure out how to do electrolysis on non-ionized water. So all they are really doing is saving having to shake some salt into the water before conversion. Or I'd imagine you could use saltwater to begin with. I also find the idea that this could produce more power than it consumes ridiculous. Electrolysis is hugely inefficient, because it takes an enormous amount of energy to break the atomic bonds. I'd be extremely surprised if the energy the produced hydrogen could supply via a fuel cell would be greater than that used to create it. In fact, I'm surprised this would be useful for heating at all. Unless I've horribly remembered my highschool chemistry, you put energy into splitting up the atoms, and then burning it produces energy (heat) putting them back together. It would seem that you'd produce more energy simply using the source power for heating than you would using it for this xogen thing. But it's been ages since I took a chemistry course.
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From This Link About six years ago I [NOT LES SMITH] published an article on Xogen, a company in Calgary, Alberta, who were making free energy claims based on "pulsed electrolysis". Xogen was partly owned by a public company called Tathacus. I am reasonably convinced that the managers at Tathacus truly did believe the claims, at least at first. As the saga played out, however, you could see the acrimony between Tathacus and Xogen rising, and (if I read it correctly) the doubts setting in. It must have been hell for the managers, as they slowly came to realize that they had been made massive fools of. Tathacus eventually dumped Xogen and changed both its name and profession. Xogen just disappeared. I am always amazed at people who stand up for these cons based on, well, nothing really. It seems to do no good to point out that this drama has been played countless times before in history, and it always comes out the same, and that maybe we should be learning from that. It reminds me of someone who keeps playing Monte (the shell game), and just won't be convinced that the whole thing is fixed.
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I read years and years ago about dozens of people who came up with all kinds of ways to harness energy using tons of methofs from solids to liquid. all of them either got payed off, killed or thier ideas suddenly went poof. I can't imagine that if these people are real, that this hasnt been made to go bubye yet .. I mean common .. water cars .. we've heard of them for FIFTY YEARS PEOPLE .. I call shananagans
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I did not notice any claims of over unity in the video clip. Therefore I see this technology being a potential for alternative uses such as waste treatment or water purification. There would need to be much research regarding energy use vs other current methods.
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Sometime before Xogen seemed to have dissappeared I had tried to contact them. Two times by regular mail, and another two or three times by e-mail. I never received a reply to any of those attempts. According to Dr. Peter Lindemann, Xogen — and some others as well — did accomplish what Xogen claimed, but that they were stopped. He did not elaborate on this. I believe it has been done. Should you wish to discuss this with me, send me an e-mail asking for my phone #. That is if you're serious, otherwise, don't bother.
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